When We’re Frustrated With Christians

Here is a post that goes with the last two and is a corrective for me. I let others bother me too much. During my frustration, which I still feel, but to a lesser degree, I really did mean that I’m confident in what I believe about those matters and I know I can look to Christ and be confident in what he’s shown me and done in me. Not that I have perfect knowledge on mental illness. For goodness sake, nobody has a good handle on that as far as causes and what goes on in the brain, although frustratingly, some people think they do, or they think they know what doesn’t go on in the brain. But I still need to look up more than out and I’d like to offer this quote.

At the root of this disillusionment [with other Christians] is the successful satanic strategy of turning our attention away from Christ and towards Christians. The more the devil can keep people thinking and talking about Christians, the less people will be thinking and talking about Jesus. And the more people think and talk about Christians instead of Christ, the more dismayed and downcast we will become. When negatives outweigh positives, there’s only one way to go, and that’s down.

David Murray, “If that’s Christianity, you can keep it.” | HeadHeartHand Blog (boy I’d love his comments on that post and a sermon I heard which was part of all of this)

I found David Murray’s book Christians Get Depressed Too, to be very good even though I thought it would be too basic.

Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things. For you died, and your life is now hidden with Christ in God.
Colossians 3:1-3

6 Responses to “When We’re Frustrated With Christians”


  1. 1 Gerald Collins

    To some this will be called heretical but Jesus never came to save people to become christians and never has a gentile been saved but he can become a christian in the evil church.Jesus came only for his people the children of the house of Israel and no one else from the foundation of the earth. All gentiles who are the descendants of Satan from the beginning. God does not want wild rye and bad fish because they are of the devil see the book of Matthew. He said to the Hebrews come to the kingdom prepared you from the foundation of the earth. Jesus only died to be remarried to his wife whom he had divorced. He came to buy back the children of the divorced wife. He was the price paid to get the children. Only the Hebrews he came to rescue out of the rejected gentiles of this world. The translators corrupted the English text by destroying the invitation in Matthew 16:18 and called it the church. she is not an it and her name is not the church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against her. Ephesians 5:27 and he is going to present HER glorious to himself being the ones invite out from among the gentiles where they were scattered by the Father following the divorce in Jeremiah 3
    Jesus laid out the plan in Isaiah 50-54 Hosea acted out the drama in the book of Hosea Jesus came to rescue the Hebrews out of the rejected pagan gentiles and pardon them from their being with out the covenants and promises Matthew 1:21.
    See my web sites for the details on why Jesus had to die and who are the ethnee and the ethnoon.
    http://www.myprivatelibrary.org
    http://www.myprivatelib.com

    Jerry Collins

  2. 2 Scripture Zealot

    Brethren, sons of Abraham’s family, and those among you who fear God, to us the message of this salvation has been sent.
    Acts 13:26

    Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.
    Acts 13:46

    that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things
    Acts 15:17

    But when they resisted and blasphemed, he shook out his garments and said to them, “Your blood be on your own heads! I am clean. From now on I will go to the Gentiles.”
    Acts 18:6

    Or is God the God of Jews only? Is He not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,
    Romans 3:29

    Now may the God who gives perseverance and encouragement grant you to be of the same mind with one another according to Christ Jesus,
    6 so that with one accord you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    7 Therefore, accept one another, just as Christ also accepted us to the glory of God.
    8 For I say that Christ has become a servant to the circumcision on behalf of the truth of God to confirm the promises given to the fathers,
    9 and for the Gentiles to glorify God for His mercy; as it is written, “THEREFORE I WILL GIVE PRAISE TO YOU AMONG THE GENTILES, AND I WILL SING TO YOUR NAME.”
    10 Again he says, “REJOICE, O GENTILES, WITH HIS PEOPLE.”
    11 And again, “PRAISE THE LORD ALL YOU GENTILES, AND LET ALL THE PEOPLES PRAISE HIM.”
    12 Again Isaiah says, “THERE SHALL COME THE ROOT OF JESSE, AND HE WHO ARISES TO RULE OVER THE GENTILES, IN HIM SHALL THE GENTILES HOPE.”
    13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, so that you will abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.
    Romans 15:5-13

  3. 3 Gerald Collins

    In the Greek Letter Text the children of the House of Israel who had been scattered among the heathen gentiles were stripped naked and abused and hid as a heathen gentile. If one reads only the corrupted English text he will never know the difference between the ethnee and the ethnoon. In one verse alone the use of the word gentile is used for both the ethnee and the ethnoon, the heathen rejected gentiles. Jesus only dispatched his learners to the ethnee and never the ethnoon. You ask what is an ethnoon? Paul says it this way by quoting from the Old Testament. That Abraham was the Father of many nations but if you check the Hebrew language God said that Abraham was the father of a throng of guim or gentiles what then Paul said was that Abraham was the father of a throng of ethnoon, thereby establishing that all ethnoon are gentiles and rejected by God from the beginning as was the seven sons of Abraham.
    In the NT believing plays no part as does being a follower for if the DNA is not a Hebrew then Jesus did not come for those of the corrupted DNA of Satan. Jesus came only for HIS people that he had known from the foundation of the earth.
    Not one gentile has ever been converted to a Hebrew of the house of Israel dispite what the corrupted English text says. 54 times in the NT the ethnee are the only ones to be rescued. Jesus died only for the right to remarry his divorced wife of the OT and he did not die for the pagan gentiles of the NT, that was added by the gentile translators who corrupted the English text with the use of gentiles for the ethnee. Paul was delegated as an apostle to the ethnee by Jesus on the road and Paul said he was an apostle to ethnee he never said that he was going to the ethnoon, He never saw or heard of an ethnoon being rescued out of the ethnoon. Jesus said that ye must be born from above not be born again in John 2.
    take the time to read an interlinear of the Greek letter Text and find all the many hundreds of mistakes and missing words. Paul said that the ethnee were rescued OUT of the ethnoon and OUT of the Jews. both outs were left out in the English.
    The very word church is the destruction of the invitation of the ethnee out of the pagan gentiles in Matthew 16:18. She is not an it and her name is not the church and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against HER.
    117 times the word church is iserted incorrectly for the ethnee being the ones invited out of the rejected pagan gentiles who God rejected from the foundation of the earth.
    See my web pages for more details about the corrupt church of christians who are no more that deceived gentiles being deceived by the wolves who seek to destroy them. The corrupt church wants all the wild rye and bad fish that God rejected. Jesus brought salvation only to the Hebrews of the house of Israel and no one else. If the English text reveals that gentiles can be saved it was made that way by the translators who had no knowledge of the things of God or his ways.
    See http://www.myprivatelibrary.org and http://www.myprivatelib.com for more details on the reason had to die for his divorced wife of Jeremiah 3 and the plan to redeem her in Isaiah 50-54 while Hosea had to live out the drama in real life.

    Jerry Collins

  4. 4 Gerald Collins

    My answer to your respones; verse by verse to show that the English text is corrupted by the gentile translators who had no knowledge of the things of God or his ways. Here now is my answer to the verses you quoted.

    Acts 13:16 Paul is only talking to the men of Israel and the context is Hebrews who were brought out of the land of the rejected Canaanites, the Egyptians
    Acts 13:46 Paul and Barnabas did not say they were turning to the ethnoon gentiles but rather to the righteous children of God known as the ethnee.
    Acts 15:17 …and all the ethnee upon whom my name is called
    Acts 18:6 hence forth I will go unto the ethnee
    Romans 3:29 All Paul is says is that God is also the God of the ethnoon but not unto salvation
    Romans 15:5-13
    verse 9 I shall be acclaining to you among those being ethnee
    verse 10 and again he is saying be making merry ye ethnee
    verse 11 and again be ye prasising the Lord all the ethnee
    verse 12 And again Isaiah is saying there shall be of the root of Jesse and the one as the one standing up to be chief of the ones being ethnoon on him ethnee shall be relying
    verse 13 the verse ends through the power of the Holy Spirit, See Joel chapter two and Hebrews 8:8 The Holy Spirit can only be outpoured on the whole house of Israel which includes the House of Israel and the house of Judah. No gentiles ever received the Holy Spirit, for only the children of God can receive from their father the ourpouring of the Holy Spirit and also the Paul writes in Hebrews 8:8 that only the house of Judah and the House of Israel will receive the New Covenant and again no gentiles are listed as being included
    See Matthew 28:19 Where Jesus dispatches the learners to the ethnee and they are to teach them all things that I have taught you Baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Holy Soirit and of the Son. This very verse concludes and excludes all gentiles those being the ethnoon. For Jesus established that the gentiles were of their father the devil also did John his cousin by saying you children of the Serpent who has warned you of the wrath to come. Jesus said in the parable of the tares that the wild rye are the children of the wicked one and were to be taken out and burned. Therefore all ethnoon are rejected and to be bundled and taken to the furnace for burning. Only the children of the Father, the ethnee, See matthew 5,6 can receive the Holy Spirit and His son came only for the lost sheep of the house of Isrel which agains excludes all the goats and wild animals of the New Testament. The gentiles are a hated rejected pagan group that worship the idol, the church of the gentiles.

    Jerry Collins

  5. 5 Scripture Zealot

    Nonsense. I’ll have to ban your posts. Jesus came for the world, meaning all kinds of people in the world, not just Israelites. Pretty obvious, orthodox teaching. I don’t entertain ideas like this. I’m a gentile and a Christian, with the Holy Spirit residing in me.
    Jeff

  6. 6 Scripture Zealot

    Looks like you’ve done this on other blogs and I won’t have it here anymore:
    http://www.alanknox.net/2011/04/definition-church-or-ekklesia/
    Maybe it will be educational, or sadly humorous, if anybody happens across this old post.
    Jeff

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