Seeker Sensitive Mega Churches Aren’t Learning

A meandering post.

Willow Creek made basically a thirty year mistake that lead untold thousands or more down the wrong path. It’s not nifty programs and growth in numbers that’s important or what the people of the congregation need.

spiritual growth doesn’t happen best by becoming dependent on elaborate church programs but through the age old spiritual practices of prayer, bible reading, and relationships.

It seems that Saddleback hasn’t learned from them either. But the pastor admittedly isn’t much interested in theology, learning how to interpret the Bible or scholarship. And on it goes.

This may be why there is some sort of a resurgence in Reformed theology. There seems to be a backlash of the post-modern (I can’t believe I used that term) way of thinking and a need to clear unwavering truth from people who aren’t afraid to lay it all out there. Of course a congregation doesn’t need to be Reformed to teach solid Biblical truth. There are plenty of all types are offer sound Biblical doctrine from pastors and teachers who care very deeply about helping people to know God better through the Bible.

What I like about Reformed theology is that the leaders talk about their beliefs without sounding defensive or having any qualifiers. (I like this one too.) They also don’t have any “best kept secrets” that some denominations seem to have. (I’m not going to name them.) People know exactly what they believe in. Again there are other denominations that offer the same conviction. When listening to or reading about Reformed doctrine, one can know pretty quickly if it’s not to their liking and move on to something else pretty quickly.

And contrary to popular belief, Reformed people have a sense of humor.

Here is a comment I found on a post by an Arminian to “those” types of Calvinists. It relates to relativism and certainty (regarding certain doctrine–we obviously can’t be certain about everything and need to embrace mystery and paradox) as mentioned above but it also speaks about Calvinists/Reformed being more gentle.

Religious hard liners are often those who have been victims of chaos. Religious softies are often the children of religious hard liners. Children of skeptics often seek certainty. Children of the certain sometimes wish for the freedom to doubt.

Being patient, kind and gentle is not necessarily the result of relativism but can be a product of deep faith because anger, violence and a need to control or silence others is usually the product of fear. I like it when Calvinism helps people become old and gentle because they have a deep seated belief that our God is all understanding, just and generous. Only such a God can address this world because we both can’t because we don’t know and can’t because we don’t have the power.

— paulvanderklay – link to comment

Calvinists–behave!

Post HT: Brian Fulthorp via Billy Birch on Facebook (not sure how to link that)

Also see:
Spurgeon: A Defense of Calvinism (and Arminians)

8 Responses to “Seeker Sensitive Mega Churches Aren’t Learning”


  1. 1 rogermugs

    jeff,
    this is awesome. the last quote is hilarious because it’s true. My mother was allowed sugar once per year as a child in the form of 1/2 a twinkie (she had to split it with her sister). As a result she would frequently buy me a whole box of twinkies, I’d eat one and she’d eat 9, then apologize and buy me another box.

    her reaction to sugar is the same as many of our reactions to the theology of our parents, or the churches we grow up in, or whatever the experience.
    -r

  2. 2 Scripture Zealot

    Roger! Nice to see you. Seems to be that way sometimes. Human nature I guess.
    Jeff

  3. 3 Esteban Vázquez

    Where’s the “like” button on this thing? 😉

  4. 4 Scripture Zealot

    Thanks Esteban. I think that was better than a Like button.

    BTW I changed the sentence on humor to:

    “And contrary to popular belief, Reformed people have a sense of humor.”

    because Doctor Jim West seemed to be offended. He has a sensational sense of humor!

    Jeff

  5. 5 Michael Acidri

    Just like Esteban i demand a “like” button before Jim West wakes up.

  6. 6 Scripture Zealot

    Thanks for commenting. I’m going to look into commenting behind a firewall.
    Jeff

  7. 7 Gary Simmons

    This was a great post. LOL. *Like.*

    Roger, thank you for that wonderful anecdote about sugar. I’ll definitely try to remember that illustration.

  8. 8 Scripture Zealot

    Thanks Gary.

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    I haven’t found anything about comments not working behind a firewall yet.
    Jeff

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