Comments on: My definition of a “Calminian” http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/ Bible Blog - Growing Closer to God through the Scriptures Thu, 09 Feb 2012 00:48:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Alan http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29587 Alan Tue, 27 Dec 2011 06:05:56 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29587 I imagine so. "God is sovereign, God desires all all men be saved, God is capable and willing and in the end will sway even the hardest of hearts." I'm paraphrasing, but essentially I think it's what Bell is saying. I imagine so. “God is sovereign, God desires all all men be saved, God is capable and willing and in the end will sway even the hardest of hearts.” I’m paraphrasing, but essentially I think it’s what Bell is saying.

]]> By: Scripture Zealot http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29584 Scripture Zealot Mon, 26 Dec 2011 18:38:06 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29584 I missed the wink. Origenian. Now that's a first for me. Is that what Rob Bell is? Jeff I missed the wink. Origenian. Now that’s a first for me. Is that what Rob Bell is?
Jeff

]]> By: Alan http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29583 Alan Mon, 26 Dec 2011 07:29:18 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29583 I was joking, it was hardly the first time. At any rate, I actually agree with you that the two positions appear to be mutually exclusive, and the hybrid name "Calminian" notwithstanding, I can see how your take is that it can't really exist unless one is conflicted or confused. That is unless one claims to be an "Origenian". ;-D I was joking, it was hardly the first time. At any rate, I actually agree with you that the two positions appear to be mutually exclusive, and the hybrid name “Calminian” notwithstanding, I can see how your take is that it can’t really exist unless one is conflicted or confused. That is unless one claims to be an “Origenian”. ;-D

]]> By: Scripture Zealot http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29581 Scripture Zealot Mon, 26 Dec 2011 02:21:54 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29581 Maybe it's a little inappropriate or not good for mixed company. First time for everything. Jeff Maybe it’s a little inappropriate or not good for mixed company. First time for everything.
Jeff

]]> By: Alan http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29569 Alan Sat, 24 Dec 2011 07:31:53 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29569 LOL. I've never been accused of being anal retentive before. Ever. Really. ;-D LOL. I’ve never been accused of being anal retentive before. Ever. Really. ;-D

]]> By: Scripture Zealot http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29558 Scripture Zealot Wed, 21 Dec 2011 21:23:00 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29558 I could have worded that better. "Realize that there is an interplay" ? You're even more anal retentive than I am. I did say mystery a second time. Jeff I could have worded that better. “Realize that there is an interplay” ? You’re even more anal retentive than I am. I did say mystery a second time.
Jeff

]]> By: Alan http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29555 Alan Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:02:00 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29555 To the point: "Someone who doesn’t understand the interplay between God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility along with the mystery inherent in them existing side by side*", isn't a mystery understood no longer a mystery? To the point: “Someone who doesn’t understand the interplay between God’s sovereignty and man’s responsibility along with the mystery inherent in them existing side by side*”, isn’t a mystery understood no longer a mystery?

]]> By: Chip http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29134 Chip Sun, 16 Oct 2011 13:16:08 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29134 Granted. Take me, for example. I have a BA in church history, a MTh in church history, and in a year, hopefully, a PhD in church history. I have been unsatisfied with both calvinism and arminianism. I needed not necessarily a middle way, but something to explain the issues from a different standpoint. Middle knowledge does not answer all my dissatisfaction, but it is a starting point. However, the reverse is also plausible: people who adhere to calvinism or arminianism can very well be lazy, taking the thoughts of others just because they don't want to digest theology for themselves. Granted. Take me, for example. I have a BA in church history, a MTh in church history, and in a year, hopefully, a PhD in church history. I have been unsatisfied with both calvinism and arminianism. I needed not necessarily a middle way, but something to explain the issues from a different standpoint. Middle knowledge does not answer all my dissatisfaction, but it is a starting point.

However, the reverse is also plausible: people who adhere to calvinism or arminianism can very well be lazy, taking the thoughts of others just because they don’t want to digest theology for themselves.

]]> By: Scripture Zealot http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29127 Scripture Zealot Sun, 16 Oct 2011 06:19:45 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29127 Chip. There are other things than Calvinist or Arminian. Trying to mix those two is rather confusing though. Calvinism wasn't new at all. Augustine believed pretty much the same things. I'm referring to people who are too lazy to know what they believe or too non-committal to make any decision about what they believe. It may take a while to come to it. Jeff Chip. There are other things than Calvinist or Arminian. Trying to mix those two is rather confusing though.

Calvinism wasn’t new at all. Augustine believed pretty much the same things. I’m referring to people who are too lazy to know what they believe or too non-committal to make any decision about what they believe. It may take a while to come to it.
Jeff

]]> By: Chip http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-29122 Chip Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:55:52 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-29122 So, i was wondering whether there is absolutely no place for any other perspective on divine sovereignty/free will, except the calvinist and arminian ones? Why would a calminian be insecure? Weren't calvin and arminius new, modern in their time? What if... So, i was wondering whether there is absolutely no place for any other perspective on divine sovereignty/free will, except the calvinist and arminian ones?

Why would a calminian be insecure? Weren’t calvin and arminius new, modern in their time? What if…

]]> By: following the footsteps « EL’s Dribble http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15906 following the footsteps « EL’s Dribble Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:34:35 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15906 [...] my life is way more planned out than I thought… pushing me more towards the CAL in the Calminian approach to [...] [...] my life is way more planned out than I thought… pushing me more towards the CAL in the Calminian approach to [...]

]]> By: Scripture Zealot http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15590 Scripture Zealot Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:17:19 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15590 I know those types of things are hard to put down in writing but I bet many would be interested to read it. Jeff I know those types of things are hard to put down in writing but I bet many would be interested to read it.
Jeff

]]> By: Joel (Polycarp) http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15586 Joel (Polycarp) Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:47:22 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15586 To be honest, Calvinism, answers some questions. I've thought about doing a post on it, but.... To be honest, Calvinism, answers some questions. I’ve thought about doing a post on it, but….

]]> By: Scripture Zealot http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15585 Scripture Zealot Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:43:31 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15585 Of course. I didn't peg you as a Calminian. If you aren't quite either that doesn't make you both. Jeff Of course. I didn’t peg you as a Calminian. If you aren’t quite either that doesn’t make you both.
Jeff

]]> By: Joel (Polycarp) http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15584 Joel (Polycarp) Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:28:07 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15584 But, Jeff, I read your blog religious, so I was predestined to read it! As I said, I am still exploring - wouldn't exactly call myself Calminian though...not now anyway. But, Jeff, I read your blog religious, so I was predestined to read it! As I said, I am still exploring – wouldn’t exactly call myself Calminian though…not now anyway.

]]> By: Scripture Zealot http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15583 Scripture Zealot Wed, 22 Jul 2009 02:19:41 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15583 Sorry about that. I was going to warn you but just hoped you wouldn't see this post. Jeff Sorry about that. I was going to warn you but just hoped you wouldn’t see this post.
Jeff

]]> By: Joel (Polycarp) http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15581 Joel (Polycarp) Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:24:36 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15581 Stabbed...through the heart...hurts...bad... I do not think that I believe in middle knowledge. Personally, I have been too busy studying other things to really tackle the issue. I can no longer say that I am fully Arminian, but we will see how close I flirt with Calvinism. Stabbed…through the heart…hurts…bad…

I do not think that I believe in middle knowledge. Personally, I have been too busy studying other things to really tackle the issue. I can no longer say that I am fully Arminian, but we will see how close I flirt with Calvinism.

]]> By: Scripture Zealot http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15577 Scripture Zealot Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:41:21 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15577 Thanks. Thanks for visiting Phil. Jeff Thanks.

Thanks for visiting Phil.
Jeff

]]> By: Derek http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15564 Derek Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:53:21 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15564 Brilliant. Concise, yet well argued. Brilliant. Concise, yet well argued.

]]> By: TC Robinson http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15554 TC Robinson Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:09:20 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15554 Jeff, I especially like:"Someone who is confused or can’t make up their mind." Jeff, I especially like:”Someone who is confused or can’t make up their mind.”

]]> By: Phil Gons http://www.scripturezealot.com/2009/07/20/my-definition-of-a-calminian/comment-page-1/#comment-15552 Phil Gons Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:02:17 +0000 http://www.scripturezealot.com/?p=2620#comment-15552 Nicely put, Jeff. Nicely put, Jeff.

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