Comments on: Don’t forget the ISV

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:02:03 +0000

I never thought about natural resources. Could you give me an example? Thanks.
Jeff

By: ElShaddai Edwards

ElShaddai Edwards — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:36:16 +0000

I was thinking more of the “proud” vs. “haughty” vocabulary, but that’s a good point about “money” vs. “riches”, Jeff. And further, in addition to material resources, natural resources are a source of wealth that can be abused and a source of arrogant pride.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:28:06 +0000

I did look at the REB but decided not to post it and a couple others partly because I didn't want the post to get too long. Plus I like riches better than money because it's more inclusive. We can be arrogant because of how much more and better stuff we have than others.

Thayer Definition:
1) wealthy, abounding in material resources

Jeff

By: ElShaddai Edwards

ElShaddai Edwards — Thu, 04 Sep 2008 17:00:12 +0000

I’m surprised you didn’t quote the REB for a different take:Instruct those who are rich in this world’s goods not to be proud, and to fix their hopes not on so uncertain a thing as money, but on God, who richly provides all things for us to enjoy.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:15:11 +0000

I believe the TNIV is only 4% different than the NIV and much of that is gender language but I always like the changes when it is different.
Jeff

By: Michael Flynn

Michael Flynn — Tue, 02 Sep 2008 12:06:57 +0000

I’ve been warming up to the HSCB Translation and it does a good job with this passage. I agree that the the ISV on this passage really amplifies the meaning.
btw, the TNIV and the NIV for this passage is identical but that’s probably bound to happen since the folks that did the NIV published the TNIV.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 23:12:44 +0000

I liked good actions better than the other alternatives but now that you mention it that does sound kind of awkward as far as the English goes. I like the word actions anyway.
Jeff

By: tc robinson

tc robinson — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:42:40 +0000

Yeah, it’s good, but “good actions” sounds awkward to me. Well, it’s just me.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:56:52 +0000

Thanks. That was enlightening. I noticed many of the instances were reviews of plays and publications from the UK but it’s definitely still in our vocabulary even if I don’t ever hear it.
Jeff

By: Randy

Randy — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:44:18 +0000

Scripture Zealot. You might want to do a google search on the word “haughty” and than click on news at the top. You will be surprise how often the word “haughty” is used in the news. Randy

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:12:29 +0000

Thanks Randy. I looked at the NET too and was surprised they used the word haughty. I don't think I've ever once in my life ever heard anyone ever use that word. Maybe it's the best word but do we go with the archaic meaning, is a synonym just as good or does it have more depth of meaning than arrogant or proud? Highminded makes more sense to me even though I've never heard that word used either.

Haughty:

Dictionary.com Unabridged

1.	disdainfully proud; snobbish; scornfully arrogant; supercilious: haughty aristocrats; a haughty salesclerk.

2.	Archaic. lofty or noble; exalted.

American Heritage Dictionary
Scornfully and condescendingly proud.

WordNet


adjective
having or showing arrogant superiority to and disdain of those one views as unworthy; "some economists are disdainful of their colleagues in other social disciplines"; "haughty aristocrats"; "his lordly manners were offensive"; "walked with a prideful swagger"; "very sniffy about breaches of etiquette"; "his mother eyed my clothes with a supercilious air"; "a more swaggering mood than usual"- W.L.Shirer [syn: disdainful]

By: Randy

Randy — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:13:32 +0000

This is how the Net Bible translates this passage "Command those who are rich in this world’s goods not to be haughty or to set their hope on riches, which are uncertain, but on God who richly provides us with all things for our enjoyment. 6:18 Tell them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, to be generous givers, sharing with others. 6:19 In this way they will save up a treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the future and so lay hold of what is truly life."Randy

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:23:03 +0000

I was thinking exactly the same thing.
Jeff

By: Stan McCullars

Stan McCullars — Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:09:55 +0000

Jeff, Good post. Guess which translation this is: “charge them not to be haughty” It sounds so out of date I assumed it had to be the KJV. I don’t know how they did it but the ESV translators came up with something that sounds older than the KJV. I also like the ISV. I refer to it often in e-Sword. I like the ISV’s treatment in this passage.