Comments on: Jeremiah 29:11

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:12:38 +0000

I wish I was taught that from the beginning.
Jeff

By: Maria

Maria — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 15:17:56 +0000

A scripture taken out of context is a pretext for error. This is something I was taught.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 19:19:43 +0000

Certainly God is able to prosper His children.
1 Timothy 6:17

I’m not sure how much Jesus’ death and resurrection has to do specifically with that. God has been doing that from the beginning.
Gen 26.22
Jer 1.8
1 Sam 2.7
Job 22.23
many in Proverbs
Jeff

By: Angel

Angel — Fri, 01 Jan 2010 14:30:12 +0000

I just wana know if you believe that God is able to prosper His children? what I meant is not only spiritually but also financially or materially? because sometimes,with many promises of God in the scriptures,that inspires many Christians, there are also many Christians that say, “Oh,God does not really mean that” or “you are out of context”
Does Jesus death and resurrection is only for our spiritual well being? or also for our physical well being? are you a christian who does not believe in healing? or does not believe that God wants a good life for His children? (I am not saying a storm free,but storm proof)
I just wonder, what this verse means to you, by the way, this is one of my favorites: Psalm 103:5 He fills my life with good things so that I stay young and strong like the
eagle.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:05:53 +0000

Hi livin,
Context here would refer to the context of the Bible text not the cultural context. I would agree that Scripture is certainly relevant today.
Jeff

By: livin4theoneabove

livin4theoneabove — Sat, 05 Sep 2009 03:01:24 +0000

hey. i totally agree with holly. yes i agree with ‘not to take things out of context’ that can become too airy-fairy but don’t discredit a scripture just because it was in a context 2000 years ago. it is still relevant today. as 2 Tim 3:16 says “all scripture is given by inspiration of God and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness”. All scripture is profitable in instruction (among other things…) so whilst Jeremiah 29:11 can be taken out of context and lose some its meaning. It can still be used and apply to situations occuring today.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:28:42 +0000

Thanks Archie.

Jeff

By: Archie

Archie — Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:08:34 +0000

Context is critical, but can be equally misleading if the chosen context is too narrow. Anything other than the full panoply of God’s word and our knowledge of other truths about him, his nature and disposition towards us, may potentially lead to too narrow an understanding.
So what do we know?
· We know that God is omniscient. Psalm 139:1-4 for example, or Hebrews 4:13;
· We know that God has plans for us. Ephesians 1:11 makes this very clear;
· We know that all things work for good…. (Roman 8:28)
I think there are two main issues here.
1. Firstly, so many Old Testament verses have double meanings. They have a direct application to the circumstances of the day, but they have a parallel and no less valid meaning when interpreted in a new covenant context (I say new, but the new covenant was always there underlying the old). Just as God promised never to leave or forsake Joshua in Deut 31:6, so this is repeated for the benefit of all his children in Hebrews 13:5. But the key difference is that his promises to us are spiritual in nature, not physical. Hebrews 13:6 goes on to ask “What can man do to me?” Well, in a physical sense the answer must be “some pretty horrific stuff” – from the earliest martyrs onwards. So the promise can’t be about physical safety and well-being and is, I think, clearly about our spiritual condition.
2. God’s promises are so often conditional – two-way covenants. I think the other real problem with “fortune-cookie hunters” as they’ve been dubbed, is that the conditionality gets glossed over. A classic example is Romans 8:28 – “…..of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.” It’s very easy to blithely say you love him. But test your love against the standard in Deut 6:5 & Matt 22:37 and be brutally honest with yourself and God. That standard is absolute, unconditional, complete and utter. God’s promises are conditional and I think there may often be a pro-tanto blessing depending on the degree to which we satisfy the condition.
In light of these points, Jeremiah 29:11 “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” is a wonderful reassurance of God’s love for us, his plans for us and the security we can know if we rest in that. But in the broadest context, we take it for granted at our peril. Unless, and only to the extent that, we put God and his will for our lives at the absolute centre of everything we think, say and do, can we look to his promises with complete confidence for our spiritual well-being and safety. Proverbs 3:6 sums this up – “in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.”

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:34:57 +0000

Good point Ingrid.

For some people, future involves suffering which isn't what people envision when they use Jeremiah 29:11 as a platitude.

Thank you for stopping by and commenting.

Jeff

By: Ingrid

Ingrid — Sun, 16 Aug 2009 05:12:07 +0000

“Plans to give you hope and a future”…Promise to every Believer. That is what Jesus died for.

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By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:39:01 +0000

Hi Finley,
Not that I’m an expert in OT interpretation but I like what you have to say. Since I wrote this post I’ve been softening a bit and being a little more open about it being a general principle but at the same time I still think it’s largely misinterpreted.

I think your second to last sentence sums things up well.
Jeff

By: Finley

Finley — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 12:02:00 +0000

I’m wondering if the context in Jeremiah 29:10-14 includes a timeless principle about God’s perspective versus our own. The people of Israel despaired. They could see what was in front of them, and it was short sited and depressing. God’s word spoken into that situation is for them to remember that even though they don’t see the plans He has for them, He knows the plans…and that brings comfort to the God-follower. So though we don’t have a cookie cutter promise that tells us “it’s all good,” we can benefit from realizing God sees the big picture as opposed to our limited picture. And since He’s trustworthy and sovereign, that brings comfort to us today. What do you think?

By: holly

holly — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:14:52 +0000

i agree that it’s important not to take the Bible out of context as if it’s a big fortune cookie, but i also believe that there are times that God will use His living Word to encourage you in times of need. i had some really bad news this week and drove home asking Him, “Lord, i only want your will in my life, but i don’t know what you want me to do in this situation. are you really there? do you have a plan for me?” as soon as i got home, the phone rang and it was a friend who told me to read the verse. when i read it, it was a revelation for me. i understood for the first time in 32 years of going through this difficult journey that even when God tells you “no” or “not yet”, He is still working out His perfect will in my life. Through this paragraph in Jeremiah, i got it that the “no” and “not yet” is just as important in a lifelong walk with God as the “yes” and “right now”, and as a result, i feel joyful about the situation that all of my family and friends think is devastating.

again, i agree that we have to take the Bible in context, but we can not discredit those times when God can use Hid word as He sees fit to encourage.

and i like the reference to Habakkuk….as a matter of fact, as i drove home asking God for direction, i began by telling Him that i am so grateful for His sovereignty and i rejoice even though this situation is difficult. my prayer was eerily similar to the Habakkuk passage. and no one can convince me that God did not use the Jeremiah verse to help me understand why He doesn’t always give you the answer you hope for. He is always, however, faithful to fulfill His perfect will and plan in our lives when we seek Him. And i am not one of those nuts who just opens their Bible for today’s “fortune cookie message”. I get it….i totally get it.

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 10:48:56 +0000

Thanks Darren. That was a very good comment. Peace to you.
Jeff

By: Darren Raley

Darren Raley — Wed, 03 Jun 2009 05:17:00 +0000

I agree that much scripture is taken out of context and that it is difficult to understand without that context, but here you have a pretty clear message. The problem, to me, seems to be one of perspective – God’s view of prosperity vs. ours and God’s plan vs. ours. It is similar to Paul’s “all things work together for good…” or any of a number of other “prosperity promises” so prevalent today. We overlook the simple fact that we are also promised suffering – and that it’s a good thing. Just because we don’t like it doesn’t make it bad, it may make it hard… but that’s different than bad.
It is too simplistic to pigeon-hole God as a celestial Santa Claus, expecting the tree to be surrounded by all the shiny, new things we want. That being said, many short change themselves by making God too small and powerless. Scripture is there to help us get to know Him, to teach others about Him, and, through that relationship, to find hope and a future – and, yes, perhaps even a little prosperity.Sorry to go on so long… Peace

By: Scripture Zealot

Scripture Zealot — Fri, 26 Dec 2008 00:50:01 +0000

Hi William,
I think there are many more general Scripture passages like those found here. Hab 3:17-19 is nice is someone feels hopeless. Although it's also specific to Israel it finds support in other Scripture.
Jeff

By: William Starks

William Starks — Wed, 24 Dec 2008 09:27:46 +0000

Would you say the Jeremiah 29:11 would be applied to those christians that are in the midest of a dark situation where it seems hopeless.

By: ScriptureZealot

ScriptureZealot — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:21:34 +0000

Thank you for ranting. I liked it better than mine and you articulated many of the same sentiments I have but in a more awesomer way than I could.

By: Esteban Vázquez

Esteban Vázquez — Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:17:48 +0000

A very important reminder, indeed: context is king. As it is so often put, a text without a context is merely a pretext!

What I think is the most important lesson this teaches is that people should stop looking for inspirational “promises of God” (i.e., mantras) in the Scriptures. For such things, they should consult the crass and shallow tripe put out by the likes of Depak Chopra and Joel Osteen. What they should look for in a passage like this, rather, is an application of its content that is true both to the historical context and the message of the book as a whole.

So, for instance, the point of passage like this is not God’s totally awesome and radtastically cool plan for, like, YOU, but rather God’s radical faithfulness to His people (which translates into deliverance) even in spite of their unfaithfulness to Him (which always results in judgment from which they need to be delivered)–a common theme running through the prophetic writings. Of course, this (calling as it does for radical obedience, that is faithfulness, to God) is much more sobering than the vacuous high that a contextless Jer. 29:11 produces, and thus such considerations are not nearly as popular.

The author at the “Discerning Reader” is quite right–Jer. 44:27 would not sell many plaques, or whatever other blasphemous trinketry is found in Christian bookstores these days. I have often thought that I should start my one Christian gifts company, specializing in such products as framed pictures of delightful baskets of kittens with inset Bible verses: perhaps Psalm 137:9 (“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones”) or Hebrews 10:31 (“It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God”).

Anyway, thanks for this, and sorry for the rant.

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